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  • Godfrey June 4, 2025 at 12:34 AM

    Reacted with Like to Cassius’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    Very good point Godfrey thank you! I was thinking of narrative explanations such as the Letters, Lucretius, Philodemus etc, but I forgot the most obvious! Definitely those need to be in the mix as well, and indeed maybe there are other references in…
  • Don June 3, 2025 at 11:24 PM

    Reacted with Thanks to Bryan’s post in the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    This was written by Elias Tempelis (Professor of Philosophy at the Hellenic Naval Academy) to accompany his presentation for the 9th Panhellenic Symposium of Epicurean Philosophy.

    His interpretation also excludes the quote Elli rejects, but he argues…
  • Bryan June 3, 2025 at 11:17 PM

    Replied to the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    […]

    This was written by Elias Tempelis (Professor of Philosophy at the Hellenic Naval Academy) to accompany his presentation for the 9th Panhellenic Symposium of Epicurean Philosophy.

    His interpretation also excludes the quote Elli rejects, but he argues…
  • Bryan June 3, 2025 at 11:00 PM

    Reacted with Love to Don’s post in the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    Checking our copy of Long & Sedley, The Hellenistic Philosophers, entry 25C , is Usener 221. Their note reads:

    […]

    So, we should look at the preceding "string" to see if we agree with that context in the letter. The anonymous nature of the quotes just…
  • sanantoniogarden June 3, 2025 at 10:47 PM

    Reacted with Love to Don’s post in the thread Proposed Menoikeus Week-long (7 Session) Study Guide Outline.
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    Below is my VERY ROUGH first draft of an outline for a week-long (ie, 7 sessions) study session of the letter. Aspirational at this point! I envision a PowerPoint presentation with audio narration. Again, aspirational but I'm putting it online to keep my…
  • sanantoniogarden June 3, 2025 at 10:47 PM

    Reacted with Like to Kalosyni’s post in the thread Proposed Menoikeus Week-long (7 Session) Study Guide Outline.
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    Don your outline looks great! Looking forward to taking in the full experience of your amazing project. :)
  • Bryan June 3, 2025 at 10:30 PM

    Reacted with Like to Don’s post in the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    I'm going to wade into the fray to add that I think you're both correct. To TauPhi 's assertions, I agree that Dewitt was a "fanboy" of Epicurus, but I don't see that as necessarily a negative. His "Epicurus and his Philosophy" and his "St. Paul…
  • Bryan June 3, 2025 at 10:28 PM

    Reacted with Like to Don’s post in the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    Cassius: Take a look at that pdf I linked to. Some good thoughts there.

    And I personally don't have a problem with that line:

    Every disturbance and unprofitable desire is removed by the love of true philosophy.

    Usener calls that U457. disturbing there is…
  • Bryan June 3, 2025 at 10:28 PM

    Reacted with Love to Don’s post in the thread Porphyry - Letter to Marcella -"Vain Is the Word of the Philosopher...".
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    Oh, this looks promising?

    http://www.epicuros.gr/pages/en/Tempe…us_Porphyry.pdf
  • sanantoniogarden June 3, 2025 at 9:09 PM

    Reacted with Like to Cassius’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    Very good point Godfrey thank you! I was thinking of narrative explanations such as the Letters, Lucretius, Philodemus etc, but I forgot the most obvious! Definitely those need to be in the mix as well, and indeed maybe there are other references in…
  • sanantoniogarden June 3, 2025 at 9:09 PM

    Reacted with Thanks to Godfrey’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    Cassius I'm not sure that I'm reading your post #30 correctly but, for reference, here are PDs relevant to the categories of desires:

    PD26 The desires that do not bring pain when they go unfulfilled are not necessary; indeed they are easy to…
  • Cassius June 3, 2025 at 8:11 PM

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    Very good point Godfrey thank you! I was thinking of narrative explanations such as the Letters, Lucretius, Philodemus etc, but I forgot the most obvious! Definitely those need to be in the mix as well, and indeed maybe there are other references in…
  • Cassius June 3, 2025 at 8:08 PM

    Reacted with Like to Godfrey’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    Cassius I'm not sure that I'm reading your post #30 correctly but, for reference, here are PDs relevant to the categories of desires:

    PD26 The desires that do not bring pain when they go unfulfilled are not necessary; indeed they are easy to…
  • Don June 3, 2025 at 8:07 PM

    Reacted with Thanks to Godfrey’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    Cassius I'm not sure that I'm reading your post #30 correctly but, for reference, here are PDs relevant to the categories of desires:

    PD26 The desires that do not bring pain when they go unfulfilled are not necessary; indeed they are easy to…
  • Don June 3, 2025 at 8:06 PM

    Reacted with Like to sanantoniogarden’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    To the point of conciseness of the categorization of desires I simply use necessary, unnecessary and vain. I feel this is a nice brief way to remember: necessary desires are Natural, unnecessary desires are natural, and vain desires are just that, empty…
  • Cassius June 3, 2025 at 8:06 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 284 - In Dealing With Pain, Does Practice Make Perfect? Or Does Practice Make For A Happy Life?.
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    Episode 284 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. Today we continue Part Two of Cicero's treatment of the nature of evil in Tusculan Disputations, and our episode is entitled: "In Dealing With Pain, Does Practice Make Perfect, Or Does Practice…
  • Godfrey June 3, 2025 at 8:03 PM

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    Cassius I'm not sure that I'm reading your post #30 correctly but, for reference, here are PDs relevant to the categories of desires:

    PD26 The desires that do not bring pain when they go unfulfilled are not necessary; indeed they are easy to…
  • Godfrey June 3, 2025 at 7:51 PM

    Reacted with Like to sanantoniogarden’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    To the point of conciseness of the categorization of desires I simply use necessary, unnecessary and vain. I feel this is a nice brief way to remember: necessary desires are Natural, unnecessary desires are natural, and vain desires are just that, empty…
  • Lowri834 June 3, 2025 at 7:37 PM

    Reacted with Love to sanantoniogarden’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    To the point of conciseness of the categorization of desires I simply use necessary, unnecessary and vain. I feel this is a nice brief way to remember: necessary desires are Natural, unnecessary desires are natural, and vain desires are just that, empty…
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    Reacted with Love to sanantoniogarden’s post in the thread Epicurus' Hierarchy of Needs.
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    To the point of conciseness of the categorization of desires I simply use necessary, unnecessary and vain. I feel this is a nice brief way to remember: necessary desires are Natural, unnecessary desires are natural, and vain desires are just that, empty…

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